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		<title>Comment on Models of growth &#8211; responding to the grammar of school by How can an &#8220;enterprise&#8221; e-learning tool be agile? &#124; The Weblog of (a) David Jones</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The grammar of school is an idea to explain why reforms of education have failed to take root. Especially the use of ICTs. The rationale is that any proposed reform is so different from the accepted mindsets of schooling (the grammar) that it is seen as nonsensical, as ungrammatical. i.e. it gets rejected or ignored in much the same way a nonsensical sentence. [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The grammar of school is an idea to explain why reforms of education have failed to take root. Especially the use of ICTs. The rationale is that any proposed reform is so different from the accepted mindsets of schooling (the grammar) that it is seen as nonsensical, as ungrammatical. i.e. it gets rejected or ignored in much the same way a nonsensical sentence. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on BIM &#8211; Feed Aggregation Management and Marking by How can an &#8220;enterprise&#8221; e-learning tool be agile? &#124; The Weblog of (a) David Jones</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 06:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on How to capture the &#8220;full benefits of the creative, original and imaginative efforts of&#8221; teaching staff by Reading List #2 &#124; Tim Klapdor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reading List #2 &#124; Tim Klapdor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 02:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] How to capture the “full benefits of the creative, original and imaginative efforts of” teaching... - David Jones. A good post discussing points from the Group of 8 - [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Everything old is new again by cj13</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cj13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 11:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of little, affordable experiments, preferably skunk works-style. The status quo are annoying etc. but of no consequence. When did the last status quo make you say &quot;wow!&quot; ? To pinnch a bit of Taleb, those who keep the status quo have no skin in the game. The game they learned to play is the one that is a plague on all the good folk like you who actually take the responsibility of helping the young make some sense of the world seriously. Only one question. Point to one, just one thing that corporate managers have done that improves the lot of students or the good folk who try to look after them? Easy to point to the things they have done that advances their house of cards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of little, affordable experiments, preferably skunk works-style. The status quo are annoying etc. but of no consequence. When did the last status quo make you say &#8220;wow!&#8221; ? To pinnch a bit of Taleb, those who keep the status quo have no skin in the game. The game they learned to play is the one that is a plague on all the good folk like you who actually take the responsibility of helping the young make some sense of the world seriously. Only one question. Point to one, just one thing that corporate managers have done that improves the lot of students or the good folk who try to look after them? Easy to point to the things they have done that advances their house of cards.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Everything old is new again by Maurice A. Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maurice A. Barry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 11:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Innovators who can relate the ideas to practice are always a challenge to the status quo. The Internet based distance education &#039;industry&#039; is now as established and set in its ways as was the correspondence-based one that saw its long-lingering death in the nineties. The fact is, though, that if you don&#039;t push ahead opportunities will be lost and, in the end, students will miss out. That makes it worth it, yes, but it does not lessen the amount of &#039;push back&#039; you can expect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Innovators who can relate the ideas to practice are always a challenge to the status quo. The Internet based distance education &#8216;industry&#8217; is now as established and set in its ways as was the correspondence-based one that saw its long-lingering death in the nineties. The fact is, though, that if you don&#8217;t push ahead opportunities will be lost and, in the end, students will miss out. That makes it worth it, yes, but it does not lessen the amount of &#8216;push back&#8217; you can expect.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to capture the &#8220;full benefits of the creative, original and imaginative efforts of&#8221; teaching staff by Everything old is new again &#124; The Weblog of (a) David Jones</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 06:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of this arises from an on-going conversation between @cj13, @timklapdor (I must start reading his blog more), and myself. A conversation about [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on How to capture the &#8220;full benefits of the creative, original and imaginative efforts of&#8221; teaching staff by Tim Klapdor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Klapdor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 04:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps serendipitously I came across this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4-ffOzjgok&amp;feature=youtu.be from Hybrid Pedagogy journal. Which offered a couple of ideas to this discussion.

The first responds to some of your concerns Chris, &quot;Collaboration, though, both in teaching and learning, is rarely institutionalized at an administrative level.&quot; This is one of the main effects I see of the &quot;corporate managerial stuff&quot; - the individualisation of learning and teaching, where all measures and structures relate only to the individual. This to me is one of the core problems to the top-down approach. There is the possibility for innovation - but on such a tiny capacity that it will forever remain a blip. By building greater cultural capacity to collaborate we can start to build in the day to day innovation - which feeds into second idea - the collective. 

&quot;communities are built around a sense of belonging, whereas collectives are built around participation. Collectives are “content-neutral platforms” with facilitating peer-to-peer learning as their reason for existing (53). According to Thomas and Brown, “collectives scale in an almost unlimited way” (53), because they are built around shared practice and are inherently nodal.&quot;

This would seem to offer another model to for innovation which would fit your idea of view of Universities as complex adaptive systems. 

Now we get into the technology component. This is where social media and social spaces - blogs, google+ etc - can enable the collective. However, when we want to institute  actual technological innovations then the exiting IT model wont work. From mine, and your experiences by the sounds of it, their priorities are too different/ They need to be risk adverse and stable - innovation needs adaption and agility. So perhaps the skunkworks component isn&#039;t a bunch of academics, but a group of technologist that can enable the collective. The two models operating in tandem....

Just ideas at the moment, need more rigour and exploration to be honest - so would welcome an opportunity to explore further with you. I think gaining across-institutional perspective could be really beneficial. 

Transcript of that talk is here - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wDi__KOWL8TVZ0ugaf5RqYfSzTl1RiFF0hGh1wJ9L-s/edit]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps serendipitously I came across this video <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4-ffOzjgok&#038;feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4-ffOzjgok&#038;feature=youtu.be</a> from Hybrid Pedagogy journal. Which offered a couple of ideas to this discussion.</p>
<p>The first responds to some of your concerns Chris, &#8220;Collaboration, though, both in teaching and learning, is rarely institutionalized at an administrative level.&#8221; This is one of the main effects I see of the &#8220;corporate managerial stuff&#8221; &#8211; the individualisation of learning and teaching, where all measures and structures relate only to the individual. This to me is one of the core problems to the top-down approach. There is the possibility for innovation &#8211; but on such a tiny capacity that it will forever remain a blip. By building greater cultural capacity to collaborate we can start to build in the day to day innovation &#8211; which feeds into second idea &#8211; the collective. </p>
<p>&#8220;communities are built around a sense of belonging, whereas collectives are built around participation. Collectives are “content-neutral platforms” with facilitating peer-to-peer learning as their reason for existing (53). According to Thomas and Brown, “collectives scale in an almost unlimited way” (53), because they are built around shared practice and are inherently nodal.&#8221;</p>
<p>This would seem to offer another model to for innovation which would fit your idea of view of Universities as complex adaptive systems. </p>
<p>Now we get into the technology component. This is where social media and social spaces &#8211; blogs, google+ etc &#8211; can enable the collective. However, when we want to institute  actual technological innovations then the exiting IT model wont work. From mine, and your experiences by the sounds of it, their priorities are too different/ They need to be risk adverse and stable &#8211; innovation needs adaption and agility. So perhaps the skunkworks component isn&#8217;t a bunch of academics, but a group of technologist that can enable the collective. The two models operating in tandem&#8230;.</p>
<p>Just ideas at the moment, need more rigour and exploration to be honest &#8211; so would welcome an opportunity to explore further with you. I think gaining across-institutional perspective could be really beneficial. </p>
<p>Transcript of that talk is here &#8211; <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wDi__KOWL8TVZ0ugaf5RqYfSzTl1RiFF0hGh1wJ9L-s/edit" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wDi__KOWL8TVZ0ugaf5RqYfSzTl1RiFF0hGh1wJ9L-s/edit</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on How to capture the &#8220;full benefits of the creative, original and imaginative efforts of&#8221; teaching staff by cj13</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 06:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think looking at the players whose business is to innovate probably points to some useful differences, e.g. Apple, Google etc. Some of this is the stuff of myth but these folk at least understand you can&#039;t legislate for innovation but you can try and create/sustain conditions that help. The silly corporate managerial stuff of the &#039;modern&#039; oz uni works against this. I think folk who have written about this stuff which is strongly reflected in studies of science &amp; technology includes folk like: Johnson, S. (2010). Where Good Ideas Come From: A Natural History of Innovation. London, England: Allen Lane; Johansson, F. (2006). The Medici Effect: What elephants and epidemics can teach us about innovation. Boston: Harvard Business School Press; Johansson, F. (2012). The click moment : seizing opportunity in an unpredictable world. New York: Portfolio/Penguin.
It might be worth thinking about the conditions at places like MIT that supported the skunk works that gave us their version of a MOOC. My sense is that innovative stuff gets through despite managerial oversight. Corporate managerialism does not reward error/mistakes which is the raw ingredient of innovation. Managers would see a long list of failed stuff as reflecting poorly on &#039;their&#039; managerial prowess. It would be fun/good/illuminating to collect little stories of the little red engines that did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think looking at the players whose business is to innovate probably points to some useful differences, e.g. Apple, Google etc. Some of this is the stuff of myth but these folk at least understand you can&#8217;t legislate for innovation but you can try and create/sustain conditions that help. The silly corporate managerial stuff of the &#8216;modern&#8217; oz uni works against this. I think folk who have written about this stuff which is strongly reflected in studies of science &amp; technology includes folk like: Johnson, S. (2010). Where Good Ideas Come From: A Natural History of Innovation. London, England: Allen Lane; Johansson, F. (2006). The Medici Effect: What elephants and epidemics can teach us about innovation. Boston: Harvard Business School Press; Johansson, F. (2012). The click moment : seizing opportunity in an unpredictable world. New York: Portfolio/Penguin.<br />
It might be worth thinking about the conditions at places like MIT that supported the skunk works that gave us their version of a MOOC. My sense is that innovative stuff gets through despite managerial oversight. Corporate managerialism does not reward error/mistakes which is the raw ingredient of innovation. Managers would see a long list of failed stuff as reflecting poorly on &#8216;their&#8217; managerial prowess. It would be fun/good/illuminating to collect little stories of the little red engines that did.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to capture the &#8220;full benefits of the creative, original and imaginative efforts of&#8221; teaching staff by David Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 00:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love your questions, Tim.  Very similar to questions I keep asking myself.  I have some answers, but I wonder what you think.

Can (how would) innovation be embedded into &quot;day to day business&quot;? Can you see the roles, structures and even technologies that currently exist allowing this to happen?  Or, would the day to day business overwhelm the innovation.  e.g. could a IT department that gets hauled over the coals when the LMS is unavailable for 20 minutes, engage in innovation?

I&#039;m sure Chris&#039; response - and those in the disruptive innovation literature - would be no to most of the above.  The problems involved are essentially why the Skunkworks approach seems to be the way to go.

I have the vague (and perhaps fatally flawed) view that with a bit of tweaking of the roles, structures, technologies and cultures involved with institutional e-learning there may be some hope.  In part, based on the view of Universities as complex adaptive systems where small changes in initial conditions can create big outcomes. But I&#039;m also pessimistic enough to think that the increasingly top-down, enterprise approaches being adopted within Universities are treating and can only see the institutions as a simple ordered system.  The intertia may be too great.

So, at the moment I&#039;m only aiming to tweak the system enough to let me do some interesting things and document the impacts of these changes and the costs of the broader system not changing.

Actually, a bit of cross-institutional comparative research could be interesting around this.  Interested?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love your questions, Tim.  Very similar to questions I keep asking myself.  I have some answers, but I wonder what you think.</p>
<p>Can (how would) innovation be embedded into &#8220;day to day business&#8221;? Can you see the roles, structures and even technologies that currently exist allowing this to happen?  Or, would the day to day business overwhelm the innovation.  e.g. could a IT department that gets hauled over the coals when the LMS is unavailable for 20 minutes, engage in innovation?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Chris&#8217; response &#8211; and those in the disruptive innovation literature &#8211; would be no to most of the above.  The problems involved are essentially why the Skunkworks approach seems to be the way to go.</p>
<p>I have the vague (and perhaps fatally flawed) view that with a bit of tweaking of the roles, structures, technologies and cultures involved with institutional e-learning there may be some hope.  In part, based on the view of Universities as complex adaptive systems where small changes in initial conditions can create big outcomes. But I&#8217;m also pessimistic enough to think that the increasingly top-down, enterprise approaches being adopted within Universities are treating and can only see the institutions as a simple ordered system.  The intertia may be too great.</p>
<p>So, at the moment I&#8217;m only aiming to tweak the system enough to let me do some interesting things and document the impacts of these changes and the costs of the broader system not changing.</p>
<p>Actually, a bit of cross-institutional comparative research could be interesting around this.  Interested?</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to capture the &#8220;full benefits of the creative, original and imaginative efforts of&#8221; teaching staff by Tim Klapdor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Klapdor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 00:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can definitely see a mismatch in this statement and the practices that most institutions are engaging and resourcing. There is a disjoin from what management wants, what teachers/students want and the policies that then get implemented. Is it that there is a lack of models available to management to encourage innovation? Skunkworks is one that is tried and tested, but are there others? Should innovation just be the domain of a single group within an organisation or embedded in it&#039;s day to day business?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can definitely see a mismatch in this statement and the practices that most institutions are engaging and resourcing. There is a disjoin from what management wants, what teachers/students want and the policies that then get implemented. Is it that there is a lack of models available to management to encourage innovation? Skunkworks is one that is tried and tested, but are there others? Should innovation just be the domain of a single group within an organisation or embedded in it&#8217;s day to day business?</p>
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